BugGuide Gathering in Idaho 2024?

Attention Moth-ers...

I'll be involved in a couple National Moth Week Events in the Spokane-Coeur d'Alene areas, 20-28 May 2024. I'd like to visit with BG moth-ers during the annual gathering. More about dates and times later.

Carl Barrentine
Spokane, Washington
[email protected]

… Carl Barrentine, 20 April, 2024 - 10:07am

I'm interested

and would love to have this be my first BG gathering! Still unsure whether I can commit, but I hope to know well before that due date.

… Miles Buddy, 16 April, 2024 - 9:44pm

tentative localities

I have a tentative plan for the Gathering that I have shared with the Resource Director. He is working with individuals to help us to realize a multifaceted experience. At this point these are the requests that I have made. July 24th, first night, we will find a location close to the casino and RV area but away from ambient light; my thought is that people are arriving at different times, this way the first night will be close by. The 25th will be exploration of Indian Cliffs and Chatcolet Bridge Lookout, hoping to identify a location in that region to set up for nocturnal sheeting. Also, tentatively, I have inquired about Benewah Creek Rd, Parker Pass, and the Benewah Community Center. July 26th will be exploration of Mary McCroskey State Park. I am working with Idaho Parks and Recreation to obtain a special permit for nocturnal sheeting at the park, after park hours. For the last day, I have reached out to the Natural Connections Academy for permission to inventory their campus, no word yet. I am confident, however, that in working with the tribe, we will find suitable habitats to explore. Our presence and mission is welcomed by all with whom I have spoken.

… Marcia Morris, 11 April, 2024 - 3:07pm

I'm interested

I have family in Pinehurst, so I may not need lodging.

… Mark Walker, 4 April, 2024 - 12:59pm

Count me in!

This sounds great!!

… Lynette Elliott, 6 March, 2024 - 9:44pm

Marcia Morris: For purposes

Marcia Morris: For purposes of making travel arrangements, what is planned for 7-27-24, the last day of the gathering? Attending light setups until midnight? Group Dinner followed by group efforts late into the night to ID finding.? Nothing: everybody quietly slips away that day, hopefully after sleeping in to recover from the previous night’s light setup attendance? Other? Thanks for all your work on this !

… Schnerre, 7 February, 2024 - 4:50pm

planning

There will be night sheeting every night, including the final night. The localities have not yet been determined by the tribal resource director and myself. That information will be provided in coming months. I suspect that we will meet as a group for dinner at least once, maybe twice or every night if that suits the group, and that final night might be a good night to plan to dine together and compare observations. As you may remember, the BG Gatherings are informal and do not follow a prescribed program. Stay tuned for details as they become available. FYI, I will be traveling outside of the US until mid April. I will be able to concentrate on the details when I return.

… Marcia Morris, 7 February, 2024 - 5:00pm

Idaho Gathering

I’m interested! Not yet 100% sure I can make it, but working on it. Will anyone else be attending in their camper van or RV? Looks like a nice setup for that, at the hotel.

… Anne Burton, 5 February, 2024 - 7:26am

The gathering

I plan to come, it sounds like a great location and I know the folks are excellent, too

… Stephen_WV, 5 February, 2024 - 7:16am

Museum Tours

Hi all, I'm an entomology grad student at Washington State University, about an hour and a half from the hotel ya'll are staying at. I'm associated with the entomology museum at WSU, and good friends with the curator at the University of Idaho museum.

Would there be interest in a trip to the Pullman/Moscow area to see the universities museums? It would probably take up more than half a day to go see the museums. (~3 hours driving, ~2 hours in the museums, lunch) Both museums are more research based and don't so much have displays to look at, but we could see the specimens and hold some live bugs.

If there's interest I'm happy to organize.

Nate

… Nathaniel Green, 30 January, 2024 - 4:48pm

Interested.

… John Morgan, 4 February, 2024 - 5:53am

Museum

Definitely interested.

… John Morgan, 4 February, 2024 - 5:52am

interested!

I'm very interested! Nothing better than a nice drawer of beetles, except more drawers!

Wednesday might be a good day.

… Tim Moyer, 3 February, 2024 - 9:59pm

Collecting

An entomologist I know at Cornell University told me that in New York, I need a license to collect. Just making sure ahead of time, will collecting be allowed?

… James R Thompson, 30 January, 2024 - 10:57am

read comment below

This has been covered in a previous post I entered. Please read the comment below regarding our responsibility with our presence on tribal lands. The tribe understands that not all identification can be made by photograph only.

… Marcia Morris, 30 January, 2024 - 11:12am

Moth bait

Is anyone willing to whip up some moth bait (the stinky, fermented type) and bring it to Idaho?

… Marcia Morris, 16 January, 2024 - 5:02pm

I'm willing

I'm willing to make this, but would need instructions. I'll be coming up from WSU - Pullman for at least the first night.

… Nathaniel Green, 30 January, 2024 - 4:42pm

moth bait

moth bait
https://keweenaw.wildones.org/moth-bait-recipe/

This can be modified for amount, a full bucket of goo is wasteful, but the recipe will give you an idea of the ratio of ingredients.

… Marcia Morris, 8 February, 2024 - 6:30am

bait trail

The article references a "trap" but years ago I took such a mixture and with a paint brush applied it to tree trunks along a trail. Then came back after dark with a red headlight (so as to not startle the moths) and observed many underwings and other moths on the bait trees.

… Tim Moyer, 8 February, 2024 - 7:21am

exactly

The mixture can also be "painted" in trees at the perimeter of the lights. The recipe is the main point of that link.

… Marcia Morris, 8 February, 2024 - 7:39am

Room sharing

Hi everyone!

I really want to come to the Bugguide meetup but I'm trying to travel on a budget, would anyone be interested in sharing a room to cut down on costs?

Jackson

… Jackson Frost, 10 January, 2024 - 12:47am

Room

You can share a room with me Jackson. When I called the hotel and made reservations for myself, they said it had two beds anyway. John

… John Morgan, 12 January, 2024 - 5:25pm

Room

Did you already book the room? I can venmo/paypal you to cover my end or pay you when I get there. If you want to email about this my email is [email protected]

… Jackson Frost, 18 January, 2024 - 9:32pm

Room

I sent you an email.

… John Morgan, 18 January, 2024 - 10:27pm

hotel shuttle

I have some information to pass along about a shuttle being offered from the Spokane airport to the Mountain Lodge Hotel where we will be staying on the reservation. The cost is $75 each way. There is some thought that perhaps if enough people arrive at the same time a shared shuttle with a discounted rate may be arranged. This may be more economical than renting a car, however, we need to make sure that there are sufficient spots in cars to transport people who arrive via shuttle to activities. The other possibility is for people arriving to Spokane share a rental car expense and have the transportation available for activities on the reservation. At any rate, these are discussions that can be made in this conversation thread. I have one seat in my car, I will be driving from Virginia, but will have the back seat collapsed to accommodate equipment.

… Marcia Morris, 7 January, 2024 - 6:45pm

Re: Shuttle

I'm interested in the shuttle, as well.

… John Schneider, 10 March, 2024 - 2:02pm

Re: Shuttle

FYI - The arrangement for the shuttle should be made directly with the Hotel after determining times of arrivals with anyone interested. You may find that booking the shuttle individually will be the best option. Registration for our event ends mid-June, plenty of time to address shuttle reservations.

… Marcia Morris, 10 March, 2024 - 3:01pm

Re: shuttle arrangements

Sounds good. Thanks, Marcia.

… John Schneider, 10 March, 2024 - 3:06pm

Shuttle

Count me in for the hotel shuttle.

… John Morgan, 7 January, 2024 - 7:53pm

registration

Registration for the BugGuide Gathering is now open, there is a link in the Calendar tab on the home page. Please use that link so that I can keep track of the number of participants who have reserved their rooms at the Tribal Hotel/Casino. There is a 10-room minimum for us to receive our discount! I will begin work with the tribe's natural resource director in a couple of months to locate and designate suitable localities on the tribal lands for nocturnal and daylight activities. Please give me ideas in the comment section of the registration form as to what type of habitat is of most interest to you. Hope to see you all in July!

… Marcia Morris, 7 January, 2024 - 6:27am

2024 Idaho Gathering

Hi Marcia,

Looks like you've put together a very nice gathering, Marcia. Count us in. We'll be driving out from Bellevue, NE.

We'll be bringing a bucket trap. We've had some interesting experiences with sheets and wind. Do you have any idea how many generators there will be?

Thanks for all your work!
Loren and Babs Padelford
Bellevue, NE

… Loren & Babs Padelford, 12 December, 2023 - 1:05pm

Looking forward

I look forward to seeing you. I am bringing a 2000W portable power station, plenty of power to run the 2-175W mercury vapor bulbs and 2-40W black lights required by my set-up, with a little to spare. Should there be demand for another generator, I do have a gas powered 2000W generator that I can bring along. I am interested to know what equipment other participants plan to bring.

… Marcia Morris, 5 January, 2024 - 4:10pm

traps

I'm also going to attempt to bring/ship a light bucket trap - 12v battery powered, and possibly a timer. I'm willing to share any moth "by-catch" with interested parties, and would ask for same with any unwanted beetles.

And I'll purchase supplies for some pit-fall traps upon arrival.

I'll get to Spokane on Saturday and can try to prepare a gallon of fermented sugar bait (favorite recipes welcome!), which I'll use in a hanging beetle trap. But any extra can go for moths - as a boy I seem to recall "painting trees" on a trail to get Underwings and such, but eager to see other uses.

… Tim Moyer, 20 January, 2024 - 2:25pm

moth bait

https://keweenaw.wildones.org/moth-bait-recipe/

This can be modified for amount, a full bucket of goo is wasteful, but the recipe will give you an idea of the ratio of ingredients. You probably do not have time to put this together, the mix of liquids takes about 3 weeks to ferment. I have provided one of our guests who lives in the state of Washington with this recipe, too. Hopefully a person who lives closer to the event who is driving in will have time to put this together.

… Marcia Morris, 8 February, 2024 - 6:27am

Info on lodging

FYI-a block of 20 rooms has been set aside for BugGuide Gathering at the Couer D'Alene Casino Resort, the Mountain Lodge Hotel. Each participant will reserve their space by calling 800-523-2464 and mentioning either BugGuide Gathering or booking ID 11855. The rate is $110.46 per night for July 24th and 25th and $127.46 per night for July 26th and 27th. In order to retain these discount rates, 10 rooms must be booked. These rates are very competitive with venues farther away from tribal lands for this time of year, Idaho's peak tourist season. Also, there are restaurant options on site. The deadline for booking is June 20, 2024. We, as a group, have agreed to conduct ourselves in cooperation with the tribe to their benefit. Please make your reservations here as we are a group of visitors to their tribal lands. In coming weeks, I will work with John to establish a registration link.

… Marcia Morris, 26 November, 2023 - 8:16am

Amateur from Manitoba, Canada

I have been watching the Events chain for a couple years now, looking for a compatible gathering. I am thinking of coming for the Idaho gathering in 2024, if i would be allowed as a gross amateur! I would love to meet some of the First Nations participants and other entomologists and naturalists and watch and learn and hopefully fill in some species distribution holes with my own photography. I would drive in from Montana or British Columbia and stay locally if possible.

… M Elsinger, 8 November, 2023 - 11:48pm

you are welcome

Please, join us. I am but an amateur myself and am enriched with each BG Gathering I attend. I have learned much about the insects, of course, but also how to improve on my own photography skills.

… Marcia Morris, 26 November, 2023 - 7:56am

equipment note

FYI - I learned from the experience with the wind in New Mexico and have modified my sheeting system. In Idaho, the sheet will secured top and bottom, we may not be as fortunate on tribal lands to have a fence nearby.

… Marcia Morris, 27 October, 2023 - 4:24pm

research permit approved

The Coeur d'Alene tribe has approved our application for the BugGuide Gathering 2024 to be held on the tribal lands in Kootenai and Benewah Counties of Idaho. I have agreed to the following understanding on behalf of our group. Please take a moment to read our responsibilities as researchers on these tribal lands.

Research is the pursuit of knowledge, and is a sacred undertaking. Thus, it is the Coeur d’Alene Tribe’s expectation that research conducted within our homeland is done so with respect for all members of our community, including people, plants, animals, water and land; that it is done with reciprocity, understanding its benefits to both the researcher and our community; that the researcher does so through relationship in our community that embraces and upholds the five pillars; and that the researcher carries the responsibility of ensuring that his or her research is conducted in an ethical way that benefits the Coeur d’Alene people.

For researchers conducting research on the Coeur d’Alene Reservation, it is essential to understand the beliefs and vision of the Coeur d’Alene Tribal Community. Since time immemorial, the Coeur d’Alene Tribe has been guided by its core values, articulated today in the Tribe’s Five Pillars:

t’u’lschint: (Membership:) Capable, decent, moral, ‘a good person’, a
good citizen in your family, tribal, local and world community. A
responsible, accountable and informed citizen in all spheres of
relationship. t'u'lschint can be translated as, 'capable, decent, moral, a good person.'
Snmiypnqwiln ( Scholarship): Life-long, holistic learning with ideas
rooted in tribal values, self-determination, self-government and
sovereignty that produces deep knowledge to understand the world and
meaningful application within the community.
‘ats’ qhnt’ wesh (Stewardship): To care for all things with integrity,
responsibility, accountability and social awareness in all spheres of life, human, animals, natural resources, and the cosmos, looking at each other from the heart.
hngwa’ yqn; hnshat’ qn (Guardianship): To protect our tribal ways of
knowing and being through the protection, care and responsibility for
our people, natural resources, culture, history, traditions, language and spirituality.
chsnpa’silgwesn (Spirituality): Faith from which the Creator reveals the connection between all life. It unites the space between the past, present, and future through the peoples, environment, and land; and is rooted within the ceremonies from which the Tribe celebrates those
connections.

The tribe understands in entering this sacred trust of sharing with us that not all of the insects we encounter can be reasonably identified by a photograph and that some collection of insects will be necessary to aid in identification. If any published work arises from activities related to the BugGuide Gathering, the tribe holds the authority to preview such work before its publishing.

This is a good opportunity for us to fill in the gaps in our reports for those two counties, as well as for new discoveries.

Registration and further information will be up in the next couple of months.

… Marcia Morris, 24 October, 2023 - 7:59pm

update on progress

Hi everyone. I have applied for the "research permit" with the Coeur d'Alene tribe. The process takes a few weeks to months to complete. Also, I have blocked off 20 rooms for our group at the hotel which is found on tribal lands for July 24-27, 2024 at their best price. Details will be forthcoming.

… Marcia Morris, 11 October, 2023 - 2:49am

swarm 2024 in Idaho

Marcia, I'm interested, but cannot commit fully at this time. Keep me in the loop of information. I'm wondering if most folks plan to drive or fly. Annette P in Louisiana

… Annieliveoak, 24 October, 2023 - 5:25pm

driving

I am renting a car and driving from Virginia so that I can bring sheeting, lights and generators, etc. I also plan to continue on to Washington after the event. It is my hope to fly to Alaska for a 3 day tour of Denali, then drive down the Washington/Oregon coast after a visit with my family in Washington then head home. If you prefer to fly in for the event, I suggest you fly into Spokane and rent a car, maybe the car rental can be shared among other attendees?!

… Marcia Morris, 25 October, 2023 - 5:12pm

BG Gathering in ID update

I am working with the Department of Fish and Wildlife on the Couer d'Alene Reservation. They have an interest in hosting our BugGuide Gathering 2024. Some of you have already expressed and interest in an Idaho gathering. I am confident that we will have the permit needed to conduct day and night activities on the tribal lands. There is a casino on the reservation in which we would be closer to habitats that will be of interest to us than hotels in the city of Couer d'Alene. I am just in the planning stages but would like to know how many are now interested in bioblitz of Kootenai County, ID on the protected tribal lands to assist in reserving a block of rooms. This event would coincide with National Moth Week, July 2024.

… Marcia Morris, 6 October, 2023 - 3:46pm

Idaho 2024

I am interested in Idaho 2024.

… John Morgan, 6 October, 2023 - 6:02pm

Sounds amazing!

Count me in!

… Eric P Shultz, 6 October, 2023 - 5:23pm

Idaho 2024

I am interested in Idaho 2024.

… Larry Bauer, 10 July, 2023 - 4:35pm

Idaho gathering

Count the Allens in for Idaho

… Charles Allen, 4 May, 2023 - 12:55pm

Idaho

Count me in or Idaho if the date is between Mid May and late July. Of course, I could retire and the dates wouldn't matter. Hope to see some of you in July in Louisiana at the Allen's place.

… Annieliveoak, 1 June, 2023 - 10:09pm

There is a key

to the horse flies and deer flies of Idaho:
HERE

… A.W. Thomas, 17 March, 2023 - 3:29pm

Thank you!

Nice key.

… Marcia Morris, 17 March, 2023 - 3:47pm

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